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		<title>Engagement and Lifetime Value: The two ways to measure customers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Kottcamp</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its 4:45p and I’ve made it through most of the first day of the Forrester Marketing Forum.  Met a lot of good people, heard some good presentations, spoke with some smart analysts.  So what, you may ask.  What have I walked away with that is making me think differently about my customers, clients or the <a href="http://thecollaborativemarketer.com/2008/04/08/engagement-and-lifetime-value-the-two-ways-to-measure-customers/" class="excerpt-more-link">[&#8230;]</a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thecollaborativemarketer.com&#038;blog=811099&#038;post=22&#038;subd=jkottcamp&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0 0 10pt;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Calibri;">Its 4:45p and I’ve made it through most of the first day of the Forrester Marketing Forum.<span>  </span>Met a lot of good people, heard some good presentations, spoke with some smart analysts.<span>  </span>So what, you may ask.<span>  </span>What have I walked away with that is making me think differently about my customers, clients or the direction of marketing?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0 0 10pt;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Calibri;">Brian Haven of Forrester kicked off with <em>Engagement: A New Approach to Understanding Customers.</em><span>  </span>Which was no surprise since the theme of the entire conference is engagement.<span>  </span>Honestly I was prepared to yawn, not because of the speaker, Brian is a strong, smart and engaging (see, I can use the lingo) speaker.<span>  </span>And not because I disagree with the thesis of the talk, that we all need to move away from speaking to customers or even the 1:1 mantra of dialogue with customers and evolve to relating to customers in terms of the degree and integrity of the engagement with customers over time.<span>  </span>The reason I was prepared to yawn was that I thought I knew the argument fairly well and I was not expecting to hear anything new or enlightening.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0 0 10pt;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Calibri;">So what stood out in the end?<span>  </span>Brian showed an eye chart slide filled with literally dozens of analytical metrics and data points that to a greater or lesser degree we’re all either already collecting or would like to be collecting.<span>  </span>Brian asked the question, “with all the analytical metrics available, which ones are meaningful?”<span>  </span>At first glance, it was a fairly straightforward question.<span>  </span>I looked at each metric on the slide and there wasn’t a single one I could say was not a valid measurement tool or one I would advise a client was unnecessary.<span>  </span>So my first reaction was that they’re all meaningful.<span>  </span>But of course before that idea could even come out of my mouth I questioned it.<span>  </span>It was then that I realized that the issue was not which ones of more meaningful than others, it was really how can you bring all these metrics together in such a way as to demonstrate value to the business.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0 0 10pt;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Calibri;">And I guess that was Brian’s point.<span>  </span>Engagement is the sum of many points of view, touch points and metrics.<span>  </span>It is trying to measure an ephemeral relationship that most likely changes with every new interaction or more broadly with every exposure to the brand.<span>  </span>It is measuring emotion.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0 0 10pt;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Calibri;">Compare that to sophisticated models that calculate lifetime customer value and you’ve got the two keys to measure the outcome of marketing; increasing customer value, i.e. the revenue over time that can be directly attributed to a customer and secondly affinity, loyalty<span>  </span>or whatever other term you want to apply to the emotional relationship that is a driver of influence.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0 0 10pt;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Calibri;">So thanks to Brian for making me think of how to measure customer value both rationally and emotionally.</span></p>
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		<title>It&#8217;s Still Marketing versus Sales</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Kottcamp</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was attending a peer conference today, with CMOs, VPs of Marketing and fellow Marketing Services practioners.  We discussed the state of marketing today and exchanged thoughts on the challenges we all are facing. On the surface, it was surprising to me, how little the issues have changed over the last decade.  The central issues <a href="http://thecollaborativemarketer.com/2008/04/08/its-still-marketing-versus-sales/" class="excerpt-more-link">[&#8230;]</a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=thecollaborativemarketer.com&#038;blog=811099&#038;post=21&#038;subd=jkottcamp&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was attending a peer conference today, with CMOs, VPs of Marketing and fellow Marketing Services practioners.  We discussed the state of marketing today and exchanged thoughts on the challenges we all are facing.</p>
<p>On the surface, it was surprising to me, how little the issues have changed over the last decade.  The central issues were still a lack of resources and budget and the tensions between marketing and sales.  But once we got beyond these issues, the real dicussions started.  Is there any meat to Web2.0 tactics?  Is role-based marketing something really new, or is it 1 to 1 marketing in new clothes?  Which marketing automation tools are worthwhile and should we be investing in more PR?</p>
<p>The consensus?  The jury is still out, but at least there&#8217;s comfort in knowing we&#8217;re all facing the same issues and can still come together to share ideas and experiences.</p>
<p>Tomorrow start the Forrester Research Marketing Forum. </p>
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